Guest Card: 8 of Cups

Friends, I am delighted to welcome as our guest today the Departing Gentleman from the 8 of Cups card!

Amanda: Welcome to the show, sir! You are looking well. Did you have a nice holiday?

Departing Gentleman: Thank you, Amanda! I did have a nice holiday, in fact. Even with all that's going on in my life, I still love the good ol' red and green, as you can see, so I'm always a hit at the holiday parties, you know?

Amanda: Ha, indeed, from the red cape, green tights, to the red've really got this holiday ensemble nailed!

Departing Gentleman: Why thank you! It's my outfit all year round, but it really pays off in the month of December. 

Amanda: It's fabulous. Now, you say that you have a lot going on in your life. Can you explain?

Departing Gentleman: Sure, of course. I am going through some changes, a transition in my life. It's simply time to go.

Amanda: Oh, how interesting! Please tell us what you are leaving and where you are going.

Departing Gentleman: Well, it's everything. The life I've been living just doesn't give me what I want anymore. It's been good, don't get me wrong, but I just feel it's time to leave this and experience new things.

Amanda: It's admirable. So many of us get stuck in places that were once pleasing but wore out their welcome long ago. It's like having fun at a party and not knowing when to leave. You know that guy, I know that guy. No one wants to be him!

Departing Gentleman: Exactly, you got it. There are people who think I'm nuts, that I'm 100% crazy for leaving here. I've got a good job where I'm respected and paid well, a community that loves and supports me, and the freedom to roam where I choose - and in a luxury car that I can afford. There's simply no good ostensible reason for me to go anywhere. 

Amanda: Buuuut....?

Departing Gentleman: But it's not enough. There is something inside of me that is urging me to pack up. I want to scale a new mountain, you know? See new landscapes! Make new friends!  

Amanda: You want to grow.

Departing Gentleman: I want to grow, expand, deepen. All of that. 

Amanda: This sounds great, and I applaud you, truly. However, there must be a part of you that is a little sad to leave, maybe?

Departing Gentleman: Oh, yes, there is this too. Listen, I talk a good game, and I believe what I say, but that doesn't mean I don't wish it were different. There's a part of me that doesn't want to say goodbye, I'll cede you that.

Amanda: Well, from how I see it - if it weren't good, then it wouldn't be sad. So, be grateful for the good and respect the sadness as a reflection of that good.

Departing Gentleman: Yes, that's the heart of it, isn't it? There will be a day when we leave this Earth in human form forever. Sometimes you have to go, it doesn't mean it's not emotional.

Amanda: I am glad you raised this, actually. There are some people who see your card as symbolizing death. Do you have anything to say about that?

Departing Gentleman: Well, I think for all the reasons we've discussed, it could represent that in a reading, definitely. I'll leave it at that. You're the Tarot reader, you probably have a better view of this.

Amanda: Well, we readers always say so much depends on the card around it, but if I were to be doing, say, a one-card reading with someone who was very sick and this card emerged, I may come to this conclusion too. The 8 of Cups certainly speaks to these themes.  

Departing Gentleman: Absolutely. Gosh, now I'm really feeling sad...

Amanda: Oh! Oh! Oh! Let's get off this. Sorry! How about reversals? When you're reversed, what does this mean?

Department Gentleman: Oh, ok! Good! Umm, for me, reversals are pretty simple. Either I'm refusing to go when it's clearly time to go, or I'm running like hell - one of the two. I've done both of these things in the past. The first instance, where I won't leave, is so typical where I'm from. I think this is the default for most people, although I try not to judge. 

Amanda: Yes, indeed! Tsk, tsk! It is really hard to judge others. We all have our "departures" in life, some of them are so subtle that outsiders don't notice them when they happen, but they're there, hidden from view!

Departing Gentleman: Absolutely, sometimes the departure has happened way before you actually see the outcome of that decision.

Amanda: You bet.

Departing Gentleman: Alright, so there's that instance. And then there's the time when you're running so fast, too fast, from a situation. The conditions are not yet ready for you to leave, but you're determined to do it anyhow. That never turns out well. That'll always catch up with you down the line.

Amanda: Ohhh, yes. Again, you know this from personal experience?

Departing Gentleman: It was a rough time in my life. Let's just leave it at that.

Amanda: Ok, then we shall.

Well, it's been an absolute please having you on the show! Any parting thoughts before we say goodbye?

Departing Gentleman: I guess I would just urge people not to be afraid. I understand that the unknown is frightening, but it's all part of the process. If anyone ever needs some support in getting the courage up to make this change, perhaps do some meditation with my card or read this interview again and know that it's going to be ok. Not just ok - it's going to be amazing.

Amanda: Wonderful, Departing Gentleman. I'm sure some of our audience members will follow your advice. 

With that, let me thank everyone for joining us today! Happy Holidays!